Playoff cap and other potential rule changes

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Playoff cap and other potential rule changes

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As you may be aware, the NHL instituted a playoff cap for this season. I'm not actually entirely sure how it works and don't intend to investigate. However, the general idea is sound and is something we could implement. I have a proposal I've been mulling over for months but not fully nailed down, but first, some motivation:

There are basically two reasons to have a playoff cap. The first is "why not"? Playoff games are more important than regular season, so stopping cap counting at game 82 has always been arbitrary, and really only happens because the NHL pays out salaries in the regular season only.

The second is that LTIR allows for teams to play with elevated payrolls throughout the playoffs. This is less of an issue in EHEC because you know exactly when injured players come off LTIR and can't choose to keep them on IR when they're really healthy (cough Kucherov/Stone cough), and also there are fewer injuries in general, but it's still there. You just have to be lucky - the ideal situation is having a player injured a few days before the deadline, who returns right after game 82, giving you their full salary back in LTIR if you're already at the cap.

(There is another issue that it can be beneficial to have an expensive, waiver-ineligible youngster injured long-term, since you can send them down and accrue a lot of cap room before the deadline, which you can't for older, waiver-eligible players, but this is an issue that will have to wait for the offseason.)

Now back to the proposal...

How would it work? The simplest way is to just keep crunching cap numbers during the playoffs. I already modified the cap calculator to go past 82 games and in fact the MAXCAP/CAPSPACE columns in the cap thread have been using 100 games for a while now. I'm not sure if anyone noticed. (100 games is slightly arbitrary - I chose it because it's a nice round number and typically only the two finalists play more than 18 playoff games).

The difficult question is what to do if teams exceed the cap in the playoffs. Right now, if teams go over the cap I mostly just nag them incessantly to get under. That's not going to work in the playoffs because teams can't do much to change their cap hits - no buyouts are possible and newly signed players aren't eligible to play, and cap relief from sending down waiver-eligible players is small. So the only solution I can think of is to rule some players ineligible to play and not count their cap hits.

How would the players be selected, though? If GMs are allowed to pick, the obvious choice would be "my most overpaid/useless player", which could be someone earning >800k on the farm. That's to the GM's advantage and not even a penalty. So there needs to be a system to pick which player is ineligible and I haven't thought of a good one. If GMs get to pick there should be a minimum pro games played threshold, or something. If the selection is automatic then there needs to be an algorithm. Something like "the single player with the lowest salary that can get the team under the cap".

This last sticking point is why I didn't propose this earlier. There's also a bit of weirdness with picking the number of games for projected cap hits. Do we just stop once every team his 100 GP? That's still arbitrary. Should teams be forced to keep enough room to be under for 100 games, even if they're down 3-0 in the first round? Unclear.

Well, anyway, since it's very close to the trade deadline and the main effect from this change would be to lower how much salary teams can add for the deadline, I'll only declare it implemented if there's a solid majority of GMs in favour, and a good enough solution for the points I mentioned above. So, opine away.

An example calculation:

If a team spends 64 games @ 58M, they can go up to 67.1M at the deadline for the remaining 18 games in the season (9.1M cap room)
If the cap were counted for 100 games, they'd be able to to up to 63.5M (5.5M cap room)
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Oh, I guess the other thing is I don't know how retention would work with this system, since most teams retaining would only play 82 games whereas playoff teams might play more than 100. So... uh... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Initial thoughts Dan is is this a solution to a problem we don't have? Though I don't mind get ahead of potential issues. I agree one of the biggest differences is we have perfect information in EHEC. But we also can't do the exact thing that causes this issue in the NHL, which you mention as in Stone and Kucherov. We can't say someone has an owie, pay a doc to give them a 2 month time table instead of 2 weeks.

I agree it is an annoying thought that a stud team could have playoffs locked, have an injury pre-deadline to a good player making a lot, and then buy past at the deadline knowing when that injury ends. But it has to be totally random by EHECs nature.

Definitely not something I'm invested in where if the league is worried about this enough we want to change it. But I think the issues it causes are complicated enough to things working in as intended (retention, cap circumvention prevention, etc).
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I think lowest salary that gets them under the cap would be the most reasonable way, as long as they have enough other players at that position.

I don't see why we should bother with retention math for playoffs.
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So I mostly agree with Nick, this feels like it's addressing a problem we don't have.

But if we are going to do it, the NHL playoff cap thing is basically just salaries on gameday? As per puckpedia:
The playoff cap will be calculated on a game-by-game basis, using the projected 20-player lineup for the upcoming game, plus any applicable dead-cap charges. Players who are scratched or on injured reserve do not count towards the playoff cap. Teams must submit their 20-player roster before each playoff game no later than 3pm local time, or 5 hours before the game (whichever comes first).
Obviously the 3pm deadline thing doesn't quite work for us, but we could basically just look at the roster pages of playoff teams when starting a sim, see what the number is, and bam, that's their cap. If it's over 60mil, the simmer adjusts, trying to keep in mind waivers, etc., as they would normally do?
Any LTIR guys could be dealt with by demoting them all to the AHL at the start of the playoffs (or when they get injured), without using waivers of course. They wouldn't be counted on the roster page while down there and the GM can call them up when the player is healthy (if they don't notice, it's on them).
Simmers would have to account for any dead cap space in looking at the cap numbers, but I'm sure we can find a way to deal with that (right now there's only 1 playoff team with cap penalties anyway, though 2 others are fighting for a spot).

On retention, I'll refer to puckpedia again
Acquired players’ cap hits net of retention count fully (without pro-ration) against the playoff cap (e.g., if 25% salary is retained by the original team, 75% fully counts against the acquiring team’s playoff cap, even if they were acquired mid-season).
https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/playoff-salary-cap
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DetroitGM wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 2:55 pm So I mostly agree with Nick...
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DetroitGM wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 2:55 pm Any LTIR guys could be dealt with by demoting them all to the AHL at the start of the playoffs (or when they get injured)...
I would think we could assign them to prospects area like Dan does with all post-deadline waiver claims since they can't play in the playoffs? But maybe that breaks something I'm nothing thinking of.
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NYRNYRNYR wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 3:01 pm I would think we could assign them to prospects area like Dan does with all post-deadline waiver claims since they can't play in the playoffs? But maybe that breaks something I'm nothing thinking of.
It's fine if they're out the whole playoffs, but if they get healthy mid-playoffs and the GM wants to put them in the lineup, they won't be able to.
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