NHL Trade Deadline

[GM Office Q]

Today, a three team trade was completed, hopefully kicking off what will be a flurry of trades before the 27th.

To Colorado:
Steve Downie

To Detroit:
Kyle Quincey

To Tampa Bay:
DET 1st 2012

Looks to be decent from a Colorado perspective. Not sure what Detroit is doing, trading a first rounder for a guy they waived. That's gotta hurt.

[Jungle Cats]

And Sebastien Piche (woo, an undrafted 24 yr old) going to Tampa?

I did the standard "Sherman made a trade" freakout, but it passed. Downie should be good.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Sets a standard for now through Monday. Draft picks aren't worth shit. If you can't get a better than player than Downie or Quincey in the late first...especially for Detroit, who drafts about as well as anybody.

Can't wait for Monday's two live chats here. Should be a blast.

[Penguin]

Moen would be out of MTL already if he was healthy.

[TorontoGM]

I'm really hoping the Canucks dump off Ballard when he's healthy, that guy is fucken useless unless you're in need of some own goals and someone to slash you're goaltender in the face.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I'm really hoping the Canucks dump off Ballard when he's healthy, that guy is fucken useless unless you're in need of some own goals and someone to slash you're goaltender in the face.

No chance he moves. That contract is hideous. Three more at 4.2 per. Ouch.

[SharksGM]

Sets a standard for now through Monday. Draft picks aren't worth shit. If you can't get a better than player than Downie or Quincey in the late first...especially for Detroit, who drafts about as well as anybody.

They haven't exactly been knocking it out of the park in the last 6 years or so. I mean what player better than Quincey have they drafted since 2003? Franzen and Helm are pretty much it.

[Virtual Jarmo]

They haven't exactly been knocking it out of the park in the last 6 years or so. I mean what player better than Quincey have they drafted since 2003? Franzen and Helm are pretty much it.

No, they haven't. Kindl and Abdelkader are good role players. I think Sheahen's going to be a player.

But, if you look at their draft history, they either have an extremely late first or none at all, sometimes have no second round pick.

Scary that Datsyuk was in the 6th round and Zetterberg in the 7th.

[MinnesotaGM]

Anyone hear this rumor Ryan Miller for Patrick Kane? I don't know if this was started in Buffalo or in Chicago or just not true. It makes sense for both hawks needing goaltending and Sabres a top line center but would that even be worth it for the Sabres?

[Calgary.Flames]

Why would the Sabres trade Ryan Miller? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Since when is Patrick Kane a center?

[MinnesotaGM]

I thought he was.

[SharksGM]

Why would the Blackhawks trade Kane? He's having his worst season ever but that doesn't mean he's only worth an overpaid 32 year old goalie who has had only one great season and a few above average ones.

[MinnesotaGM]

I'm just seeking if anyone outside of buffalo heard this rumor or not. And indeed he is greatly overpaid.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Kane plays alongside Toews for the most part, who is obviously a center. I don't think Kane has every played center except for the odd faceoff if a guy gets waived out. That's besides the point, but from a CHI standpoint, I'd welcome the trade being a Canucks fan. Kane destroys the Canucks some games so please, take him away lol.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Anyone hear this rumor Ryan Miller for Patrick Kane? I don't know if this was started in Buffalo or in Chicago or just not true. It makes sense for both hawks needing goaltending and Sabres a top line center but would that even be worth it for the Sabres?

I've heard it. It's odd. I think it's one of those "It fits for both teams, but neither team would do it." kind of rumors.

And regarding Miller, the team in front of him has been soft and lacked good defensemen since, well, forever. Goaltending is about the guys in front of you more than anything.

[MinnesotaGM]

Indeed Sabres lack a top line center so yea this doesn't fit in my eyes. And yea defense has been very soft during the Ruff Era. And my bad for not watching hawks hockey and not knowing Kanes position.

[TorontoGM]

Kane is from Buffalo I believe, so I'm sure the rumour originated out of Buffalo.

[CapsGM]

Kane plays alongside Toews for the most part, who is obviously a center. I don't think Kane has every played center except for the odd faceoff if a guy gets waived out. That's besides the point, but from a CHI standpoint, I'd welcome the trade being a Canucks fan. Kane destroys the Canucks some games so please, take him away lol.

He started out the season at center and has played there a bit in the past.

[Montreal Canadiens]

It's not his primary position though. If he ever was traded I wouldn't forsee another team using him as a full-time center. He's way better on the wing. Just like the Canucks don't use Higgins as a center even though he has played center in the past.

[SharksGM]

I don't think there's anything more to that rumour than that Kane is from Buffalo anyways. Yeah the Hawks could use a goalie but there hasn't been one traded for that kind of return since... uh... well Patrick Roy didn't even return very much.

[GM Office Q]

To Los Angeles

Jeff Carter

To Columbus

Jack "-90" Johnson
Conditional First

Robbery by the Kings, IMO.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Robbery by the Kings? I think the opposite. Absolute bonehead move. Carter is a bum.

[TorontoGM]

Carter and Johnson are both bums.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Double J is less of a bum than Carter. Young, pretty solid defensemen + a 1st round pick. Carter must be pretty happy right now back playing with his lover Mike richards.

[SharksGM]

What's the point of adding JJ when the Jackets already have Wisniewski who they got for free?

As far as I'm concerned the Kings and Jackets both blew it and gave the Flyers a pile of assets, ugh. I didn't expect Philly to be so good or get Couturier with that 1st but now Holmgren looks like a genius outside of the Bryzgalov deal.

[TorontoGM]

They say Richards and Carter partied pretty hard in Philly, imagine what they'll get up to in LA.

[Jungle Cats]

Kings need goals. Carter should rebound with the renewed ability to have premarital sex with many anonymous partners while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence free environment... and JJ could still learn to play consistent defense. Phaneuf did. Win-win.

[SharksGM]

Kings need goals. Carter should rebound with the renewed ability to have premarital sex with many anonymous partners while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence free environment... and JJ could still learn to play consistent defense. Phaneuf did. Win-win.

Phaneuf did? I must have missed that.

He has improved somewhat but still leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive side. It's more his offense that has rebounded.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Carter seems to be a cancer wherever he goes. The Kings don't seem to have very much in the way of accountability. I don't mind the deal. People seem to be forgetting that JMFJ is just 25 years old. It's not like he's an old dog who can't be taught a new trick.

Howson did what he could. Carter's value has plummeted. Nobody wants to deal with him. The Kings are hoping he's playing with enough talent to keep his mouth shut.

I like the deal. A first is a decent future asset and could be used to move up in the draft in 2013 if they don't take this year's pick. Johnson immediately adds skill to the back end, something Columbus hasn't had for years, if ever.

Good riddance to Carter. A whiner and not a gamer. All kinds of talent, but unwilling to work for it. He'd rather stand in the slot and let someone else bust their ass for the puck than go into the corner for himself. I don't want that kind of guy on my team, no matter how much talent he has.

The Nash deal is make or break for Howson now, because he definitely took a loss on the Carter deal. That Kings first is 10-12 picks lower than the 8th overall where Couturier was taken.

This Carter deal makes Monday slightly less interesting though.

[Commish Bub(NYR)]

So, Adam, do you think Howson trades Nash now or waits until at/near the draft?

[Virtual Jarmo]

So, Adam, do you think Howson trades Nash now or waits until at/near the draft?

I hope he trades him. I think the Rangers are still the front-runners.

If they have Del Zotto, JMFJ, Wisniewski, and then potentially Johnny Moore in their top four for the foreseeable future, that's a strong group. Add a veteran or two for that bottom pairing and you've got a good defense.

Though, with Dustin Brown's availability, he's a more attractive player to get because of his much smaller cap hit, Nash might lose some value right now.

I don't see the point in waiting until the draft. You already know the teams that Nash will likely go to, and none of them will have picks in the top half of the first round anyway. If word gets out about a lower salary cap in CBA negotiations or something, then they might be stuck with him, because he is overpaid. He probably makes 1.5 more than he'd make on 25 of the other 30 teams because CBJ had to sweeten the deal to get him to stay.

Get your two or three roster players, a draft pick, and a prospect for him and let the rebuild begin.

[SharksGM]

Just for Adam, some guy wrote this scathing indictment of Jack Johnson:

It seems that Jack Johnson is a major drag on his team, especially defensively, but offensively as well. The only redeeming quality of Jack Johnson on the ice is that he seems to be a good PP specialist. I have often called Jack Johnson the $4.3M/yr version of Marc-Andre Bergeron but that might be unfair to Bergeron. Getting rid of Johnson is addition by subtraction plus you are getting Jeff Carter for a mere first round pick which is a steal.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I saw a similar article praising Jeff Carter as the second coming and blasting Jack Johnson.

Whatever. I don't care what other people say. I can form my own opinions after watching him.

[Montreal Canadiens]

To create some buzz, Canucks put Keith Ballard on LTIR today creating $4.2M worth of cap space.....coincidence?