Ales Hemsky

Free Agents · Post by **Free Agents** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:32 pm

The bidding is open for Ales Hemsky.

Free Agents · Post by **Free Agents** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:45 pm

The previous high bid for Hemsky has been exceeded. A new 18-hour window starts now.

Free Agents · Post by **Free Agents** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:11 pm

Bidding is closed for Ales Hemsky.

There is a tie. Both Tampa Bay and Anaheim bid 6 yrs at 8M per for Hemsky.

The first tiebreaker is yearly salary. That is clearly a tie. Citing past precedent (here and here, the second tiebreaker is to have each team submit one final bid to break the tie.

That bid must be received by 10 p.m. EST tomorrow night. The winner of that final bid will receive Hemsky. If both GMs submit the same number, a coin flip will determine who wins Hemsky with heads being Anaheim and tails being Tampa Bay.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:02 am

Tampa Bay has declined to make a final bid. Anaheim will be given Hemsky for 6 years at 8M per season.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:03 pm

ummmm pardon me?? How in the world is Ales Hemsky a free agent.

Last I checked he was signed for $6.25M for the next 3 seasons and a team option???

Or did I dream that.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:43 pm

Where were you the past 3 weeks?

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:The deadline to accept/reject Ales Hemsky's arbitration has passed without a response from the general manager.

Ales Hemsky is a free agent.

GM Office Q · Post by **GM Office Q** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:40 pm

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:50 pm

What deadline? He went through his arb and he was signed to that contract as far as I was concerned. I was never made aware of any "deadline."

I even recall speaking to Adam on MSN? Or Facebook? About it the day he posted that, and I said something along the lines of, "was hoping for a bit lower, but oh well" I'm good with it.

What reasons would I have to DECLINE his arb hearing?

Also where was I the past few weeks? Dealing with life sorry about that.

Thought all of the people on my pro roster that I needed to sign were signed.

Post by **SharksGM** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:58 pm

Did you maybe notice every single other arbitration result including the ones that you did last year required a yes/no from the GM after the award?

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:32 am

No, why on earth would I go into other teams threads?

Also, thought it was done with / accepted.

AnaheimGM · Post by **AnaheimGM** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:18 am

If a mistake was done, i won't be angry if the league decide to reput Hemsky on MTL roster!

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:10 am

Montreal Canadiens wrote:What deadline? He went through his arb and he was signed to that contract as far as I was concerned. I was never made aware of any "deadline."

You're an adult, Brad. I don't need to make you "aware of any deadline". Nobody else had a problem with accepting/rejecting their arbitrations except for St. Louis, and he's only been in the league for about a month.

At what point have I ever done something that didn't need the GM's approval? I'm not running your team. You're running your team. I don't make decisions for you. You're supposed to be around to make them for yourself.

I even recall speaking to Adam on MSN? Or Facebook? About it the day he posted that, and I said something along the lines of, "was hoping for a bit lower, but oh well" I'm good with it.

I'm not your liaison. I'm the Commissioner. If you're in EHEC, you have obligations. One of them is to check in and be aware of things.

Furthermore, I never got any message of acceptance or denial. All I got on MSN was "6.25, ROUGH". That doesn't give me any kind of answer. In fact, that gives off the impression that you're unhappy with the arbitration award and that you don't approve of it.

Even more than that, this isn't a Facebook app. This isn't a MSN league. This is a message board league. If you want something to be known, you respond to that thread. It's bad enough that I accepted your playoff lines via Facebook message when EVERYBODY else was emailing them and using the GMCP like they're supposed to. I told you time and time again that it wasn't a Facebook league and I wasn't taking any instructions or lines via Facebook. Don't play the victim here. You were forewarned over and over again, and, like I said, 28 other teams did what they were supposed to do.

It's really not that difficult to come onto the forums and respond to something. Hell, you can do it from a smartphone.

What reasons would I have to DECLINE his arb hearing?

Not up to me or the Committee to decide. I don't run your team. I only run vacant teams and try to do what's in their best interest. Despite you "dealing with life", I didn't consider you to be a vacant team.

Also where was I the past few weeks? Dealing with life sorry about that.

Seeing how all 29 other GMs are alive, I assume they're dealing with life too. You don't think I deal with life while spending 60 hours making the draft class? Or the 20 it takes me to make the NHL schedule? I don't do this for myself. I do it for all the GMs in this league, regardless of what's happening in my life. Some of these guys have families, jobs, bills, travel, kids, and all kinds of other obligations. You don't think that they're dealing with life?

I'm sorry, but the only person you have to blame is yourself for not checking in. You laughed at me when I told you that you were on the clock in the draft. You were made aware that Hemsky's arbitration award was posted. You neglected to answer it for 34 days, even though it clearly states, "Brad, you can accept/reject this award.", just like every other arbitration case has under it in that forum.

I'm sorry for the situation you're in, but you put yourself there. You could have avoided this by spending eight seconds to accept Hemsky's arbitration.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:38 pm

What do you mean you didn't have to make me aware of a deadline? Why wouldn't you?

I didn't know I had to come on here and post "I accept" I already thought it was done with as I said. You could have shot me a PM? A facebook message, a text? We have multiple ways of communicating. Said hey, go post in there that you accept, since you knew that I did accept it.

Also, I'm fairly certain you edited your post since I read it when I first posted in here and there was nothing at the bottom that said, "Brad, accept / reject this."

I was running a business, working 12+ hours a day, then moving when I got home, and also trying to have a life outside of those two things, but yeah, that's typical of all of us here isn't it......

Yes, I laughed when you asked me if I wanted to SKIP MY FIFTH ROUND PICK. Why wouldn't I skip it.

Sure, I could have spent EIGHT seconds posting IF I KNEW I HAD TO.

If MTL was vacant, would you not accept the Hemsky hearing? So why wouldn't you in this case. Also, I'm sure you could have clicked on my username and realized I didn't log in for a month.

GM Office Q · Post by **GM Office Q** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:50 pm

You've done it before.

Montreal Canadiens wrote:Also, I'm fairly certain you edited your post since I read it when I first posted in here and there was nothing at the bottom that said, "Brad, accept / reject this."

Every single arbitration thread has the same format.

Montreal Canadiens wrote:I was running a business, working 12+ hours a day, then moving when I got home, and also trying to have a life outside of those two things, but yeah, that's typical of all of us here isn't it......

So you have an excuse, and we don't?

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:50 pm

AnaheimGM wrote:If a mistake was done, i won't be angry if the league decide to reput Hemsky on MTL roster!

Sounds good.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:51 pm

AvsGM wrote:You've done it before.

Montreal Canadiens wrote:Also, I'm fairly certain you edited your post since I read it when I first posted in here and there was nothing at the bottom that said, "Brad, accept / reject this."
Every single arbitration thread has the same format.

Montreal Canadiens wrote:I was running a business, working 12+ hours a day, then moving when I got home, and also trying to have a life outside of those two things, but yeah, that's typical of all of us here isn't it......
So you have an excuse, and we don't?

You just proved my point, there is nothing after the Zdeno Chara post with me saying "I accept his arbitration."

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:02 pm

You just proved my point, there is nothing after the Zdeno Chara post with me saying "I accept his arbitration."

Because in that case, the contract never went to arbitration. You offered more than 105% of what the arbitrator proposed and so you automatically signed him. You didn't need to confirm or reject an award because an award was never made, so the whole Chara thing is a moot point as far as this goes.

Also, I would personally like to put my backing behind any plan that doesn't involve Hemsky joining the hundred-and-one other reasons in the Pacific Division that the Stars are boned.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:08 pm

Why would I owe you anything when you completely ignored the league for an entire month?

Your team is not my responsibility. Sorry that bothers you.

Hilarious to me that you think that you're the only one with life responsibilities in the league.

I fail to see what I did wrong in this situation. If somebody else in the league would like to point out where I'm at fault, I'd be happy to hear it.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:57 pm

You knew I accepted the Hemsky arbitration.......thats where this went wrong......

We chatted about it a few times.....could have said, confirm it by posting....

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:22 pm

Montreal Canadiens wrote:You knew I accepted the Hemsky arbitration.......thats where this went wrong......

We chatted about it a few times.....could have said, confirm it by posting....

I remember no such chat, nor do I have any proof of it. As I said in my original post, all I saw was "6.25, ROUGH" on June 17 at 6:14 p.m. ET, regarding Hemsky, and I did not respond to that message. After that, you asked "i hope thats a joke about Doan?" and I replied "and if it's not?", with no response from you. So, btw, that shoots your "why on earth would I go into other teams threads?" argument.

Regardless, as I have already said, I'm not playing the middle man between you and the forums. You post what needs to be posted. I don't do it for you.

You didn't have eight seconds of free time in the span of a month to post that you are fine with Hemsky's arb, but you've been able to spend three days on the boards awaiting my reply and going back and forth in this thread?

If MTL was vacant, would you not accept the Hemsky hearing? So why wouldn't you in this case. Also, I'm sure you could have clicked on my username and realized I didn't log in for a month.

MTL wasn't vacant, so this is a moot point, but I'll answer it anyway. Yes, I would accept it if MTL was vacant.

But, since MTL is not vacant, it's not my job nor responsibility.

You not logging in for a month is none of my concern. You either suffer the consequences from not giving a shit or you get replaced if it continues.

Oh, and Quinn was talking about you accepting Ethan Moreau's arbitration last year. Has nothing to do with the Chara one.

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Regarding Anaheim's post, that would be a question for league approval. If they're willing to overlook the fact that they've been active all offseason while dealing with life and you haven't, then, sure, you can have Hemsky back.

GM Office Q · Post by **GM Office Q** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:25 pm

Montreal Canadiens wrote:We chatted about it a few times.....could have said, confirm it by posting....

Given that sometimes you imagine inserting players into the lineup, it's possible you imagined the same thing about your arbitration.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:30 pm

I thought my off-season plans were done, therefore not needing to pay attention that much in the summer when nothing was going on. I Wasn't really around last summer either.

And yes, I am on here typing this since I'm done running the business for now, and also aren't dealing with moving people out of my house.

It's not that I "wasn't giving a shit" I was just way more busy than I usually was. I'm pretty active around here so I obviously care.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:58 pm

Montreal Canadiens wrote:I'm pretty active around here so I obviously care.

Except for that time you disappeared for a month without bothering to say "hi guys, kinda busy, see you a few" or words to that effect.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:53 pm

You're giving me shit? And you've been here.....a month?? Oh ok.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:56 am

Yes.

What's your point?

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:38 pm

Based on discussions with the Committee and other GMs, here's what I have decided.

Montreal either accepts the terms of the agent's contract to Hemsky (6.75M per year for 3 yrs + TO) or accepts the arbitration award, 6.25M, for one season and the arbitration process will take place again next year, with the agent's knowledge that Hemsky fetched a contract worth 48M over six years in free agency.

The feeling I have gathered from other GMs that I have asked regarding this situation is that Brad would have had no reason to decline the arbitration, especially taking into account the package he traded to Edmonton for Hemsky.

However, due to the inactivity that caused this mess, EHEC will enact a $2,000,000 salary cap penalty to Montreal for the 2012-2013 season.

Furthermore, I will grant a "sandwich pick", after the first round, to Anaheim for the 2013 EHEC Entry Draft for his inconvenience. The pick will be pick #31 overall, and the second round will begin with pick #32 overall. In the event that Anaheim is auto-drafted with his first round selection in 2013, the pick will be voided and the second round will begin normally.

So, Brad, you can accept/reject 6.25M for one season (and arbitration again after next season) or accept/reject 6.75M for three seasons with a team option for a fourth (with no arbitration necessary).

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:25 pm

He should have to accept the Free Agenct contract as punishment.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 pm

TorontoGM wrote:He should have to accept the Free Agenct contract as punishment.

That was also discussed.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:38 pm

Furthermore, I will grant a "sandwich pick", after the first round, to Anaheim for the 2013 EHEC Entry Draft for his inconvenience. The pick will be pick #31 overall, and the second round will begin with pick #32 overall. In the event that Anaheim is auto-drafted with his first round selection in 2013, the pick will be voided and the second round will begin normally.

I didn't get Hemsky either, I want a pick too. More seriously, I like the concept but not that the Ducks have just got a free second-round pick out of it, because there's 28 teams who haven't been part of this situation and we've all just lost out. It's not earth-shattering stuff, but I'd be royally narked if I picked at #32 and Anaheim took the player I wanted at #31.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:59 pm

Yeah, this is tantamount to punishing the entire league except the guy who "lost out" on a crippling free agent contract, and the guy whose fuckup let the guy walk in the first place. No disrespect to Anaheim, but you dodged a bullet having that contract voided, and now you're being rewarded for your poor decision-making instead of punished for it? Not having to honor that insane contract should be reward enough.

Nobody should get a draft pick out of this, but Montreal should have one taken away as punishment for being allowed to break the rules here.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:14 pm

TorontoGM wrote:He should have to accept the Free Agenct contract as punishment.

The contract is worse, 6.25 M or 6.75 + $2M is more than his contract from Anaheim on a short-term basis.

I will do the $6.75M for 3 years + TO.

Thanks.

EDIT - I didn't say I was exempt from arb, I sent in my stuff for Hemsky through arb and thought thats what was decided. If I wanted to reject his contract, I wouldn't have even sent him to arb.

GM Office Q · Post by **GM Office Q** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:17 pm

As a perennial bottom feeder, I also don't like that my second round pick loses value because Brad thought he was exempt from arbitration.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:03 am

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:23 am

#31 OA for free?

AnaheimGM · Post by **AnaheimGM** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:31 am

Ok guys, i don't want that every body get angry, so i'll not accept any compensation for the good of the league!!

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:46 am

AnaheimGM wrote:Ok guys, i don't want that every body get angry, so i'll not accept any compensation for the good of the league!!

Whatever, that's fine.

Tired of everyone bitching about everything. The more I do, the less it's worth it.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:50 am

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:Tired of everyone bitching about everything. The more I do, the less it's worth it.

There is a difference between "bitching" and "objecting".

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:53 am

DallasSean wrote:
Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:Tired of everyone bitching about everything. The more I do, the less it's worth it.
There is a difference between "bitching" and "objecting".

Not when I've been doing this for three years and constantly have heard complaining, there isn't.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:02 am

And I do commiserate, but that's the thing about being in a position of authority damn near anywhere - people will complain, fairly or unfairly.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:32 am

I just want to point out that I think Anaheim's Jo T.'s attitude regarding all this has been exemplary.

Post by **SharksGM** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:50 pm

I just want to complain about something. I don't know what, but I'm dissatisfied with it. Maybe it's this caviar that's too salty or the champagne that's too bubbly.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:01 pm

Calgary.Flames wrote:I just want to point out that I think Anaheim's Jo T.'s attitude regarding all this has been exemplary.

Agreed. Much respect to Anaheim.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:01 pm

SharksGM wrote:I just want to complain about something. I don't know what, but I'm dissatisfied with it. Maybe it's this caviar that's too salty or the champagne that's too bubbly.

I found the caviar to be impeccably chilled and the champagne delightfully refreshing, but the string quartet was dreadfully passe in their choices of recitation. Mendelssohn's String Quartet #2 is so overplayed this season, and in A minor? An appalling choice.

Jungle Cats · Post by **Jungle Cats** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:22 pm

I think what we're all really overlooking here is whether I got Corban Knight or not.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:36 pm

Jungle Cats wrote:I think what we're all really overlooking here is whether I got Corban Knight or not.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:45 pm

Since I've traded thirty six draft picks that I don't even have, I'm biased towards forgiving people for making (small) mistakes. However, if we don't run our own teams properly Adam shouldn't be the safety net that catches our errors. I banned myself the entire month from trading because of the Letang ordeal, I'm not sure on what's best for discipline regarding mis-management. I don't know about the penalty for MTL or ANA getting a 2nd, but Adam provides EHEC for us. The TC helps him, but the majority of the reason we have EHEC is because of one gentleman from Ohio.

If he says 'ANA gets 31st overall', then ANA gets 31st overall. There shouldn't be bunch of whining from everyone, especially directed towards the one person who GIVES us EHEC. Flood Brad's PM box and email with gay porn, leave Adam alone.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:56 pm

Yeah, props to Anaheim. And props to Zaq for nailing down that stud Corban Knight.

GoJetsGo · Post by **GoJetsGo** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:41 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote:Since I've traded thirty six draft picks that I don't even have, I'm biased towards forgiving people for making (small) mistakes. However, if we don't run our own teams properly Adam shouldn't be the safety net that catches our errors. I banned myself the entire month from trading because of the Letang ordeal, I'm not sure on what's best for discipline regarding mis-management. I don't know about the penalty for MTL or ANA getting a 2nd, but Adam provides EHEC for us. The TC helps him, but the majority of the reason we have EHEC is because of one gentleman from Ohio.

If he says 'ANA gets 31st overall', then ANA gets 31st overall. There shouldn't be bunch of whining from everyone, especially directed towards the one person who GIVES us EHEC. Flood Brad's PM box and email with gay porn, leave Adam alone.

This is an outstanding idea, but then I quickly realized this entails willingly seeking the stuff out. Joke's on me. Clear cache. Clear cache.

Jungle Cats · Post by **Jungle Cats** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:24 pm

Bub(NYR) wrote:Yeah, props to Anaheim. And props to Zaq for nailing down that stud Corban Knight.

thank you. was that so hard? we're done here, right?