Rulebook Updates/Questions

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:35 am

I'm going to go through our rulebook and try to update it.
In this thread, please post any issues with what's in there already.
This will help me make sure I don't forget about too much stuff.

Thanks guys, your help is greatly appreciated.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:59 am

WAIVERS

For players 26 or older, contract of 1 mill or less and = waiver free; over 1 mill he can be claimed

For 25 and under, contract of 1.5 mill or less + under 100 NHL GP = waiver free; 1.5 mill or less + over 100 NHL GP = can be claimed (players making over 1.5 mill can't play on the farm anyway, excepting players on their ELC)

Players on ELCs are exempt regardless of contract

No re-entry waivers

LINE TACTICS

1. Max 2 H&G and/or NZT lines, with a max total of 70 secs combined

2. Min 30-second first line shift, whatever the tactic

3. Min 20-second shift for any line, whatever the tactic

4. No HNG or NZT on 1st line

5. Max 50 sec HNG/NZT on one line

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:05 am

SALARY CAP

The Season 5 salary cap is $64,000,000.

ROSTERS

All teams must carry a 22 man pro roster.

Teams can have a maximum of 50 players signed to a contract.

La Sainte-Flanelle · Post by **La Sainte-Flanelle** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:03 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote:SALARY CAP

The Season 5 salary cap is $64,000,000.
ROSTERS

All teams must carry a 22 man pro roster.

Teams can have a maximum of 50 players signed to a contract.

So u can't have 23 players on your pro roster?

flyergp21 · Post by **flyergp21** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:22 am

yes, 22 is minimum.

La Sainte-Flanelle · Post by **La Sainte-Flanelle** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:23 am

ok thx

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:33 am

23 is okay, 22 minimum and 23 maximum. Irrc.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:06 pm

Free agency needs to be updated. I couldn't find a clear post on the forums, but teams can re-sign one-three players 27 or older on their roster each season. It depends on how many expiring contracts you have, and uses the combined total between NHL and AHL rosters. Arb has been used in the past, but I believe a formula will be used going forward to determine retained UFA's salaries.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:30 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote:Free agency needs to be updated. I couldn't find a clear post on the forums, but teams can re-sign one-three players 27 or older on their roster each season. It depends on how many expiring contracts you have, and uses the combined total between NHL and AHL rosters. Arb has been used in the past, but I believe a formula will be used going forward to determine retained UFA's salaries.

I think this was discussed but not implemented for this year. There is a bracket currently in the rulebook for 32+ aged potential free agents you are able to re-sign from your roster. Adam's vision was to lower that to 27+ aged players, and rejigger the bracket somewhat, plus give bonuses to playoff teams for re-signing players 32-and-over or 35-and-over.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:02 pm

What's wrong with the way FA were handled this year?
We lowered the age from 32 to 27.
Tim created a spreadsheet with formulas for the older guys so there was no more ARB.
I don't know about the bonus for playoff teams re-signing older guys, but that's a non-issue for now.

We don't know what were the math behind the new brackets, but it can be found.

It needs to be updated in the rulebook, but is there anything still pending?

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:07 pm

Ya, I thought we kind of implemented some of the stuff but not all regarding free agency. I will go through the rulebook when I have time and see if anything pops out as outdated.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:18 pm

Calgary.Flames wrote:What's wrong with the way FA were handled this year?
We lowered the age from 32 to 27.
Tim created a spreadsheet with formulas for the older guys so there was no more ARB.
I don't know about the bonus for playoff teams re-signing older guys, but that's a non-issue for now.

We don't know what were the math behind the new brackets, but it can be found.

It needs to be updated in the rulebook, but is there anything still pending?

Adam had wanted there to be more potential free agents, and to give older players more value instead of becoming a 20-year-old draftee league. Did we actually limit the number of 27+ guys you could re-sign?

I have Tim's spreadsheet with the brackets. I can share that next year when we get around to FA period again, like Tim did this year.

I'm not sure that there was anything else pending.

Singin the BLUES · Post by **Singin the BLUES** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:30 pm

IMo there is alot of shit that can be done round this league.....little small things but still.....but what you have to look at is......if you make a new rule or get rid of an existing one......what will the ramifications be from it? More loopholes? More of a pain in the ass? Not everyone understanding it? And TBH, within a day of season starting, do we reallllly want to redo/add some rules? Some would be fine to do, some just wouldnt make sense.......The re entry rule is one for sure that shouldnt be done right now, it SHOULD have been looked at way before this. I am in no way bitching or whatever, but i can see alot of teams getting affected by some rules coming or leaving.....Just my 2 cents, take it as you will

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:34 pm

IIRC, you were only allowed to re-sign 1-3 (depending on your number of expiring contracts) pending UFA's aged 27 and over this off-season.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:47 pm

Singin the BLUES wrote:IMo there is alot of shit that can be done round this league.....little small things but still.....but what you have to look at is......if you make a new rule or get rid of an existing one......what will the ramifications be from it? More loopholes? More of a pain in the ass? Not everyone understanding it? And TBH, within a day of season starting, do we reallllly want to redo/add some rules? Some would be fine to do, some just wouldnt make sense.......The re entry rule is one for sure that shouldnt be done right now, it SHOULD have been looked at way before this. I am in no way bitching or whatever, but i can see alot of teams getting affected by some rules coming or leaving.....Just my 2 cents, take it as you will

We're not redoing any rules; just updating the Rulebook to reflect the rules already in place.

The ufa discussion is not really warranted here, as it's looking ahead to next year. We've gotten off track a bit, but so what? We want to make sure that Julien knows what needs to be changed/updated, and what doesn't.

Singin the BLUES · Post by **Singin the BLUES** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:54 pm

Well i seem to see that we are redoing or making newer rules. Re Entry waivers as example.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:59 pm

Singin the BLUES wrote:Well i seem to see that we are redoing or making newer rules. Re Entry waivers as example.

Jim, you can use my post above regarding waiver rules as what we will be using this season. I have given you further clarification in the "re-entry waivers" thread about the different situations that can occur when it comes to waivers. Please PM me if you have any further questions.

Bub is right, we can talk about UFA more closer to next off-season. Let's use this thread for any new items we come across in the rulebook that need to be updated.

La Sainte-Flanelle · Post by **La Sainte-Flanelle** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:46 am

CONTRACTS:
No longer contract options (TO, PO, TW)
League minimum is at $600 000
Lenght max. is 7 years

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:46 pm

Pro-ration for trades has two different points in the season. IIRC, if a trade is made after half way through the season (not sure of calender date) each team will be responsible for 50% of each players contract.

Example:

Team A trades: Sid the Kid (10 million dollar contract)

Team B trades: 2nd round pick

Team A and B would have a 5 million dollar cap hit for Sid the Kid

The second pro-ration change date is near the trade deadline. After or on this date, the team trading a player retain 75% of the cap hit, and the acquiring team 25%.

Example:

Team A trades: Sid the Kid (10 million dollar contract)

Team B trades: 2nd round pick

Team A has a 7.5 million dollar cap hit, Team B has a 2.5 million dollar cap hit.

Proration only lasts for the season the trade was made. If there is additional years left on the contract, the acquiring team is responsible for 100% of the hit.

We will get you the pro-ration change dates ASAP.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:01 pm

Any trade posted on or before December 31st will not be impacted by pro-ration.

Any trade posted between [January 1st] and [TWO WEEKS and ONE DAY before the trade deadline] will have the "50/50 pro-ration" model. It is the first example posted above.

Any trade posted two weeks before the deadline or after, will have the "75/25 pro-ration" model. It is the second example posted above.

Last years deadline was March 5th; I can't find the 2015 deadline date, but it should be around the same as last year.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:48 pm

Quick explanation about how pro-ration works:

Let's say, sometime in January 2015when its 50/50, PHI trade Mayson Raymond and 1st PHI 2015 to BUF for Jakub Voracek. Let's say Raymond makes $2m and Voracek makes $4m.

PHI cap hit: Raymond $1,000,000, Voracek $2,000,000
BUF cap hit: Raymond $1,000,000, Voracek $2,000,000

Then, close to the deadline when pro-ration is 75/25, Raymond's value could increase enough to get a good return because of contract. If someone was to acquire him during this time, he would be a $500k cap hit. Let's say for example, he gets traded to TB for a 3rd. The cap his would then be:

PHI cap hit: Raymond $1,000,000
BUF cap hit: Raymond $500,000
TB cap hit: Raymond $500,000

It can help rebuilding teams get a little extra value, and allow some contenders to match up against powerhouses.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:54 pm

U20 Players in the AHL

3 maximum.
If player turns 20 on or before December 31st of that season, he does not count towards the three.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:20 pm

Are there any rules on power plays for our lines ? Like to players who are left wings need to stay left or we are free to put them elsewhere on the PP ?

Julien, what's the official rule?

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:23 pm

On the PP, forwards can play anywhere regardless of their natural position(s).

MartyFromOTTAWA · Post by **MartyFromOTTAWA** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:21 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote:Any trade posted on or before December 31st will not be impacted by pro-ration.

Any trade posted between [January 1st] and [TWO WEEKS and ONE DAY before the trade deadline] will have the "50/50 pro-ration" model. It is the first example posted above.

Any trade posted two weeks before the deadline or after, will have the "75/25 pro-ration" model. It is the second example posted above.

Last years deadline was March 5th; I can't find the 2015 deadline date, but it should be around the same as last year.

What about UFA players signed between [January 1st] and [TWO WEEKS and ONE DAY before the trade deadline]?
Does the yearly salary count for only 50% on the salary cap?
Same thing for these signed two weeks before the deadline or after (only 25%)?

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:19 am

No, in years previous UFA's have been 100% cap hit no matter when signed.

MartyFromOTTAWA · Post by **MartyFromOTTAWA** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:21 am

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:20 pm

I'll keep this thread on top so if you guys want to discuss about rules and whatnot or notify us with errorrs, do it here.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:32 pm

The new rulebook is up! You may have to refresh your browser after clicking the link to get the new one to show.

Post any mistakes you find here. This is not the place to discuss potential rules changes or to critique staff grammar.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:32 pm

Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:The new rulebook is up! You may have to refresh your browser after clicking the link to get the new one to show.

Post any mistakes you find here. This is not the place to discuss potential rules changes or to critique staff grammar.

Did you guys remember the Oxford comma?

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:32 pm

A couple things I noticed...

1) Waiver eligibility doesn't mention that entry level players are not eligible regardless of their contract.
2) It doesn't say when a player's decision to retire is determined. Does this happen after each season?
3) Just a qualm with the wording for qualifying offers, it should say "players making $700,000 or less" and "players making $1M or more" otherwise those two numbers don't really fit in any of the brackets. Also would probably be good to note that $770,000 is the qualifying offer for $700,000 but not below that ($600,000 would be $660,000 for example).

And where should we discuss potential rule changes?

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:58 pm

Another one, for UFAs that have sat out an entire year, I assume they can be signed for 1/3rd of the previous salary and not 33% (there is a difference, you know).

Also would have been nice to know that sooner, the old book said 50% and I hadn't seen any changes to that. But that's just me griping.

flyergp21 · Post by **flyergp21** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:23 pm

The first thing I noticed is the draft being 7 rounds. I thought someone said it would be 5 from now on?

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:01 pm

flyergp21 wrote:The first thing I noticed is the draft being 7 rounds. I thought someone said it would be 5 from now on?

Never heard of that.

Vik (Habs) wrote:Another one, for UFAs that have sat out an entire year, I assume they can be signed for 1/3rd of the previous salary and not 33% (there is a difference, you know).

Also would have been nice to know that sooner, the old book said 50% and I hadn't seen any changes to that. But that's just me griping.

Here: 2014 Free Agency

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:04 pm

Another thing, it doesn't say anything about signing RFAs that reject their qualifying offer (are they guaranteed to sign the qualifying offer if their GRE is under 100?) and there's no reference at all to the contract calculator.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:15 pm

Vik (Habs) wrote:A couple things I noticed...

1) Waiver eligibility doesn't mention that entry level players are not eligible regardless of their contract.
2) It doesn't say when a player's decision to retire is determined. Does this happen after each season?
3) Just a qualm with the wording for qualifying offers, it should say "players making $700,000 or less" and "players making $1M or more" otherwise those two numbers don't really fit in any of the brackets. Also would probably be good to note that $770,000 is the qualifying offer for $700,000 but not below that ($600,000 would be $660,000 for example).

And where should we discuss potential rule changes?

Retirement decisions are handled at the end of the season.

Potential rule changes can be discussed in the League Memos section. We can create a new thread for it.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:12 am

Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:Retirement decisions are handled at the end of the season.

For retirement and UFA-ery, what's the date used for determining how old someone is? For example, will a player born July 1st, 1988 be considered 26 years old or 27 in the next offseason?

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:00 pm

Vik (Habs) wrote:
Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:Retirement decisions are handled at the end of the season.
For retirement and UFA-ery, what's the date used for determining how old someone is? For example, will a player born July 1st, 1988 be considered 26 years old or 27 in the next offseason?

Iirc, we start things before July 1, so I would say he'd be 26.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:10 pm

Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:
Vik (Habs) wrote:
Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:Retirement decisions are handled at the end of the season.
For retirement and UFA-ery, what's the date used for determining how old someone is? For example, will a player born July 1st, 1988 be considered 26 years old or 27 in the next offseason?
Iirc, we start things before July 1, so I would say he'd be 26.

So what's the date we use?

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:08 pm

Vik (Habs) wrote:
Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:
Vik (Habs) wrote:
Commish Bub(NYR) wrote:Retirement decisions are handled at the end of the season.
For retirement and UFA-ery, what's the date used for determining how old someone is? For example, will a player born July 1st, 1988 be considered 26 years old or 27 in the next offseason?
Iirc, we start things before July 1, so I would say he'd be 26.
So what's the date we use?

We've never established one, afaik. I'll get on it and we'll have one shortly.

Post by **SharksGM** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:18 pm

July 1st sounds easy enough.

MartyFromOTTAWA · Post by **MartyFromOTTAWA** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:13 am

If i understand well, players/goalies who are 27 and over can be UFA right?

And i can't find the bracket system for players extension...

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:13 pm

CALCULATOR

You need to add "AGE" in the last column.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:08 pm

Another small detail it should probably mention is the version of EHM we use (I assume 1.16).

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:09 pm

Took another run through it and made a couple notes...

1) Salary Cap: Should probably say how the cap is determined (is it just whatever the folks in charge think seems good?) and when it's determined.

2) Trade Committee: Who is on it? Seems only fair we know who is judging us.

3) Rights Trading: When a UFA's rights are traded, does the player stop counting against the # of expiring contracts the team trading him had and start counting for the new team? That would probably make the most sense but then you'd have to monitor things so that, for example, a team with 5 expiring contracts couldn't sign 3 and then trade one of the other 2 (since that would bring them down to 4 expiring contracts and therefore should only be allowed to retain 2 but have already retained 3). Also, if a team's offer is less than what the arbitrator decides but is still within 90%, does the player sign at the offered salary or at what the arbitrator decided was appropriate?

4) Waivers: Asked this when Mark Streit got demoted but how long after a player is waived can the GM wait to demote him without waiving him again? In the NHL, I believe it's 30 days or a certain # of NHL games played before the player is once again eligible.

5) Offer Sheets: It says offer sheets can be made if an RFA is not signed by August 15th. Why August 15th?

6) Player Extensions: Just a note that it says to "(see LINK)" but no link is provided.

MartyFromOTTAWA · Post by **MartyFromOTTAWA** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:58 am

Interesting questions Vik which would need an answer. Bub?

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:26 am

1) Whatever the folks in charge think seems good. I believe Bub has said when they announced how much the cap would be going up this off-season, they say for the next couple seasons as well.

2) Bub (NYR), Dan (SJ), and Julien (CGY). If there is ever a issue, I imagine Adam (CBJ) would settle it.

3) Dunno

4) Since we always had re-entry waivers, this has never been an issue. A rule has never existed I think.

5) Dunno

6) I assume it is the link to Tim's spreadsheet but it went offline a few months ago (at least my link did). I recovered it here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

You have to play around with the numbers and categories, you can't c+p like before. It was designed with the old websites roster display.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:43 am

To what Justin said, I will add:

1) It's not scientific, but we try to take into account rising salaries and any other rule changes. The cap needs to mean something too, which is why we don't raise it by, say, 10 million or so.

2) Yep; plus for any trade involving two of the committee members, we'd probably do a one-off "guest" committee member just to get another opinion.

3) Those are good questions that will need better answers than I can give right now. I would lean toward having the rights-traded player no longer counting toward his previous ("traded from") team in any way, once the trade is approved. But yes, we would have to monitor the situation to keep folks from gaming the system. Re the arbitrator question: I'd have to see what we've done in the past, as I'm sure that situation has come up before.

4) We never had to institute a rule about this before, since we had re-entry waivers. The constant yo-yo-ing of players this season caused us to put into place the recent rule regarding no more "high salary" demotions to the AHL starting in early January (day after the WJC ends). So we'll keep seeing the back-and-forth until then, but then it will end; either via trades, or outright releases, of players.

5) Dunno. Perhaps Aug 15th was part of the NHL CBA? Perhaps it was giving GMs a couple of weeks to sign their own RFAs after the EHM summer rollover?

Josh-EDM · Post by **Josh-EDM** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:42 pm

The way things are done is pretty awesome, but there is a lot going on. If you have familiarity with EHM picking up what is going on with the website is generally pretty easy.

However, I think it would be beneficial if the features of the website were detailed somewhere. I think back to my issues with the extension calculator. I had no idea what two of the attributes were, though I had a general idea. I didn't realize full attributes were already on the site via the roster page that I didn't realize existed in the exact order I needed. I think a little clarity of features could help new people though I freely admit that clarifying will only really help them so this may be pointless.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:48 pm

3) If your offer is within the 90%, you get the player at the salary you proposed. The arbitrator's number is only a reference.
If your offer is higher than the other number, you still are awarded the salary YOU proposed.
Once you trade a player's rights, he doesn't count in the number of guys you can sign. He doesn't count for the receiving team either as there are no limits on rights ARB cases a team can have.
Last offseason, I was able to retain 3 UFAs (Meszaros, Klesla and Boyle) and I traded for Hamhuis and Boll's rights. I was able to meet the 90% on both cases so they signed with me.