"Real" draft talk

[DetroitGM]

Didn't want to derail the offseason post further, so figured I'd add this one, to address Josh's response:

What a dumbass. Chalk that pick up to his massive ego after reaching the final. I don't think Timmins was on board judging from his 20+ seconds of silence when asked about it.

Maybe, maybe not (I was going to say something about how Bergevin made the pick, when Timmins has made all the ones before, but actually that's not true, Bergevin made the pick last year and I think Weber did the year before)...

I do think that Bergevin is on his way out/up, that he's not going to be GM for 22-23, though he might be president of hockey ops or whatever, which makes a difference. If Mailloux is worth the pick on the ice, the new GM can say "it wasn't my pick but we have him so we're working with him" and mostly ignore the negatives. It's also not hard to get him good PR, just have him donate time and money to various charities linked with revenge pron or whatever, make it appear that he's improved (whether he actually has or not), the same way they did with Shaw's homophobic insults. Sadly, for a GM and organization that constantly preach character, they sure do acquire/chase a lot of garbage people (Voynov, Shaw, Domi, DeAngelo, etc)...

What I will say, and this is not a defence of the pick or Mailloux, but I would be shocked if there aren't a dozen players who were drafted this year who have done worse things. Hell, I would be surprised if Mailloux himself hadn't done worse things (seeing as the act itself was consensual). Hockey culture is fucked

[AvalancheGM]

I'll agree wholeheartedly on your last sentence. I covered junior hockey for years and the majority are arrogant pricks, because they've been told how great they are for years and years.

The Habs' statement immediately after picking him (seriously, if you have a statement ready to go, you fucked up) was a complete joke. "Accompany Logan on his journey," "support Logan to grow," etc. He's not the one who needs support. The language made HIM sound like a victim.

There's a reason half the league dropped him from their lists entirely, although some were looking at him with their 2nd rounders.

[Bernyhawks]

Man the kid was 17 when he took the pic
People make mistakes…

Honestly with all that hate he is receiving, he is the victim now. I feel bad he will have to deal with Montreal morons media all over him

[DetroitGM]

Man the kid was 17 when he took the pic
People make mistakes…

Honestly with all that hate he is receiving, he is the victim now. I feel bad he will have to deal with Montreal morons media all over him

He is not remotely *the* victim now, come on man.

Yes, people make mistakes, especially at 17. The problem is that the actual victim wanted an apology and felt he had not demonstrated remorse. And obviously people deserve second chances, but he hasn't really been punished, instead he gets rewarded by being a first round pick, with all the privileges that come with it.

[Bernyhawks]

All I’m saying is this story has been blown out of proportion.

Maybe he didn’t feel any remorse at the time because he was young/typical airhead hockey player. People grow from their mistakes

Not being drafted when you worked all your life for that is a big punishment.

[AvalancheGM]

Man the kid was 17 when he took the pic
People make mistakes…

Honestly with all that hate he is receiving, he is the victim now. I feel bad he will have to deal with Montreal morons media all over him

17 is plenty old enough to know right from wrong. He shouldn't be buried for the rest of his life but it was not a mistake. An intentional crime is not a mistake. A mistake is doing something by accident. It's bullshit to use that word at all in relation to this.

"Victim" lol that's a crock.

[AvalancheGM]

All I’m saying is this story has been blown out of proportion.

Maybe he didn’t feel any remorse at the time because he was young/typical airhead hockey player. People grow from their mistakes

Not being drafted when you worked all your life for that is a big punishment.

He himself asked not to be drafted. And he was taken in the 1st round, where he was ranked. So there was no punishment at all. I know you're a Habs fan so it would be nice if you could look past the bias.

[Bernyhawks]

I'm not defending him because I'm a Habs fan. He could be on any other team.

Don't get me wrong I feel bad for her and if this happened to my daughter one day I would probably straight up burry the guy alive...

I just think its sometimes too easy to judge someone and side by the media than to give a second chance to someone.

[AvalancheGM]

Well, that's fair. Although by being drafted in the first round he is getting a second chance. Just not from the public.

[NYRNYRNYR]

Said it in the off season thread but worth repeating I suppose. As an attorney who has represented thousands of people, many who did worse things, many who did less harmful - whoever his agent is who crafted his statement with him is an idiot. And for MTL's rollout after to be as awful as it was is inexcusable. They have limitless funds available, either you didn't go to your marketing team, which someone should be fired over, or you did and they SUCK, which again, someone should be fired for.

[PittsburghGM]

I'm all for second chances if they're earned.

I actually thought his statement about renouncing himself from the draft was something positive, showed he took some responsibility and knew he had some working on himself to do. Not a lot of people would say hey, don't draft me, I've done some bad things, need to grow some more and I plan to use this year for that. Thing is, as soon as Montreal picked him it became quickly apparent it was all for show.

What he did is inexcusable and he's plenty old enough to know it was wrong. It was not some simple mistake and he's no victim. I don't think the kid should lose his hockey career but I don't think he should have a second chance handed to him on a silver platter either. Being drafted in the 1st round is no punishment and the way he flip-flopped on his statement instantly doesn't show any signs of growth yet, so IMO I'm not giving him one yet. I don't see any reason to believe he's handled any of this with sincerity or remorse.

Montreal messed up big time with the pick, especially considering Bergevin being involved in hockey ops in Chicago while they had some stuff going on back in 2010, messed up even worse with their statement, but here's hoping Mailloux truly does realize his situation.

[AvalancheGM]

Love the last two posts.

I feel like we should loop Carolina in on this thread though for signing the sack of shit DeAngelo.

Waddell to Bergevin: "hold my beer"

[Edmonton Mike]

While I agree with everything that's been said here, it's laughable that Justin Trudeau shares his mind on the subject. He should take a good look in the mirror -without blackface or Indian wardrobe- before taking a stance on a kid "making a mistake".

Sponsors? Stop with the shitty fakeass PR statements. "Hey! Not cool! Give us a minute to think here!". You're in or you're out.
Caisses Desjardins, of all partners, should shut the fuck up.

Maybe we should turn the debate on why Mailloux's punishment was so small; a simple fine. Or try and figure out how to raise awareness on the subject of consent and violating a person's private life/privacy.

[NYRNYRNYR]

Maybe we should turn the debate on why Mailloux's punishment was so small; a simple fine.

I'd caution this a bit. For one, I have no idea what the law is in the country he was in at the time. However, let's pretend for a moment he was in the states or Canada, and what he did was a felony. Likely such type of illegal distribution would fall under the sex offender registration act. If it is one of the lowest level felonies - 4 years prison; If it was even only in the middle, you're looking at a possible 15. (At least looking at New York).

What he did was intentional - cared for his benefits completely at no thought to her detriment - and is reasonably vilified for this decision. Where I draw some sort of line, as best I can knowing its fallible, is subjecting a 17 year old to criminal statutes. It's really disgusting. (And I don't mean EDM is - what he said is a legitimate question. It's a comment on the system) Even the most heinous of crimes, murder, rape, arson, it's remarkable what motivates a teenager as opposed to the 35-year-old experienced person.

20+ years ago when we were his age, to commit the same offense we would have had to go to an actual store (no amazon) spend a legit sum of money on top of the line hidden cameras, ensure it was properly installed and working, and guarantee a consensual sexual encounter was perfectly in line in the room I prepped it. The premeditation, skill, and effort that takes as opposed to grabbing your phone, snapping a 1080 HD pic, and sending it to mates at the speed of light... well its staggering.

I don't excuse it. I've argued at each post above it was horrible - he shouldn't have been drafted - and I'm sickened that I care so much about a league with such shit organizations like the Canadiens and Hurricanes. But I stop short at imaging this kid going to prison and registering online as a sex offender, likely for life. Many of these are statutorily required when you are charged with specific crimes. Or worse - imagine they were both 17 years old and it was child pornography - enjoy a 5 year mandatory minimum federally, with a potential guideline range of 20 years.

Criminal law in the states is draconian. I have no idea if a fine is appropriate or not - but I can say criminal justice is anything but the way to find that word.

[AvalancheGM]

^ that's a really good point in your third paragraph.

What I read is that in Sweden the fine was equivalent to a conviction and admission of guilt.

I don't think years in jail is appropriate either but I would have no issue with 30 days to help him learn his lesson. People get that for much less - breaking a no-contact order with someone who happens to be the parent of their kids, for example.