2015-2016 FINANCIALS

Post by **SharksGM** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:40 pm

Updated Apr 1.
LTIR:

ANA: Akim Aliu (1 month, $0 - ANA < $64M)
ARZ: Kevin Bieksa (4 months, $0.96M - ARZ over cap), Steven Stamkos (2 months, $5.7M - ARZ over cap), Brett Connolly (2 weeks, $6.0375M - ARZ over cap), Tomas Kaberle (2 weeks, $4.10625M - ARZ over cap)
BUF: Philippe Gogulla (1 month, $0.4225M - BUF @ 66.6225M), Braydon Coburn (3 weeks, $3.6725M - BUF @ 67.9225M)
CAR: Brandon Sutter (2 weeks, $7.75M - CAR over $68M), Nick Palmieri (3 weeks, $2.7M - CAR over $68M)
CBS: Milan Hejduk (1 month, $490,166 - CBS @ 67.406833M), Daniel Krejci (2 months, $2.456833M - CBS @ 67.406833M), Mirco Mueller (3 weeks, $2M - CBS over 68M), Anthony Mantha (1 month, $2M - CBS over 68M)
CGY: Robyn Regehr (1 month, $1M - CGY @ 65.5M), Jonathan Huberdeau (6 months, $2.2825M - before trade, WPG cap @ $64.8325M; $3.45M after trade, CGY cap @ $65.55M), Victor Hedman (2 weeks, $5M - CGY > $68M)
CHI: Brent Seabrook (2 months, $5.905M - CHI @ 67.005M), Mathieu Carle (6+ months, $1.4M - CHI over cap), Patrick Kane (3 weeks, $3M - CHI over 68M), Curtis Valk (3 months, TBD)
COL: Gabriel Landeskog (2 weeks, $6.5075M - COL @ 66.307500), Nino Niederreiter (2 months, $0 - COL @ 60.5M), Mark Pysyk (2 months, $0 - COL @ $60.8M)
DET: Chris Neil (3 weeks, $2.738749M - DET @ 67.938749M), Colby Armstrong (1 month, $3383749 - DET @ 67.683749M), Anton Stralman (2 weeks, $0 - sent to AHL)
DAL: Jacob Markstrom (2 weeks, $3.2M - DAL @ 68.281248M), Nikita Scherbak (1 month, $0 - in AHL; cap @ 65M before being brought up again), Fedor Tyutin (1 month, $2.256248M - DAL cap @ $67.106248M), Mark Jankowski (6+ months, $0 - DAL @ 67.106248M when LTIR'd)
EDM: Nazem Kadri (2 weeks, $4.375M - EDM over 68M), Chris Summers (2 weeks, $3.1M - EDM over 68M)
FLA: Brock Nelson (2 weeks, $3.2M - FLA over 68M), Brock Nelson (6 months, $1.975M - FLA @ 66.775M)
LA: Paul Stastny (1 month, $8.242M - LA @ 65.5425M), Andrew Ladd (1 month, $5.5425M - LA @ 67.5425M), Dustin Brown (4 months, $4.605M - LA cap @ 67.7425M), Jack Johnson (4 months, $5.9M - LA cap > $68M)
MIN: Jared Hauf (5 months, $0.505M - MIN cap @ $66.805)
MTL: Kenny Ryan (1 month, $0 - MTL cap @ 55.496M); Reid Boucher (1 month, $0 - MTL cap @ 58.221M); Justin Kirkland (5 months, $0 - MTL cap @ $58M or thereabouts); Mike Richards (1 month, $0 - same deal), David Cotton (1 month, $0 - MTL cap @ ~$56M), Zach Sanford (who cares, $0)
NAS: Steven Shipley (6 months, $3.701M - NAS cap @ 67.876M), Evgeny Kuznetsov (3 weeks, $2.271833M - NSH cap @ 64.746833M), Chad Kolarik (5 months, $0 - NAS < $64M)
NJ: Artem Anisimov (3 weeks, $3.974740M - NJ cap @ 67.285989M), Artem Anisimov (2 weeks, $3.974740M - NJ cap @ 67.285989M), Anton Gustafsson (6 months, $1.154739M - NJ cap @ 67.285989M)
NYI: Dwight King (2 weeks, $1.962M - NYI over 68M), Chris Vande Velde (6+ months, $1.75M - NYI cap > 68M), Ryan Smyth (3 weeks, $2M - NYI cap > 68M), Calle Jarnkrok (3 weeks, $3.975M - NYI cap > 68M)
NYR: Jarret Stoll (1 month, $1.404463M - NYR cap @ 66.154463M), Michael Dal Colle (6+ months, $0 - NYR cap @ 64.987796M), Corey Perry (1 month, $2.487796M - NYR cap @ 64.987796M), Nicholas Paul (2 months, $337796 - NYR cap @ 67.487796M), Henrik Zetterberg (2 months, $6,083,333M - NYR above $68M)
OTT: Marc McNulty (1 month, $0.6M); Daniil Zharkov (2 months, $2.805M), Jason Spezza (2 weeks, $10.2M), Colby Cohen (1 month, $4M - OTT over $68M), Dana Tyrell (1 month, $0.701M - OTT over $68M), Daniil Zharkov (2 weeks, $2.805M - OTT cap > 68M), Jacob Middleton (1 month, $1.7M - OTT > 68M)
PHI: Justin Bailey (5 months, $0 - PHI cap @ ~62M), Jeremy Roy (2 months, $0 - PHI < $60M), Adam Musil (2 weeks, $0 - PHI < $57M)
PIT: Dany Heatley (2 months, $7.25M - PIT over 68M), James van Riemsdyk (3 months, $3.5M - PIT over 68M), Louis Leblanc (1 month, $1.35M - PIT over 68M)
STL: Max Friberg (1 month, $191,983 - STL cap @ 66.691983M), Scott Gomez (2 weeks, $1.846872M - STL cap @ 67.996872M), Artur Lauta (3 weeks, $0 - STL < $67M), Anthony DeAngelo (2 weeks, $0.978411M - STL @ $66.978411M)
TB: Marian Gaborik (4 months, $6.651668M - TBL cap @ $65.651668)
VAN: Guillaume Latendresse (2 months, $0.87M - VAN cap @ $66.62M), Aaron Ekblad (3 months, $1.12M - VAN cap @ $66.62M)
WPG: Ryan Spooner (2 months, $1.5625M - WPG over 68M)
WSH: Morgan Rielly (4 months, $4.60M - WSH over 68M)

Coming off soon: Hedman, Tyutin

*Players off LTIR

Buyouts:

See the buyouts thread.

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TEAM  TEAMID GP  TODAY     TODATE  PENALTIES  LTIR    PROJECTED OVER?  CONTRACTS
ANA    1     78  63837500  66682748  0        0        66543955  N  49
CBS    2     77  69067500  67806729  1375000  0        67883606  N  49
BOS    3     78  71572500  67192500  0        0        67406159  N  48
BUF    4     78  69032500  67548494  0        0        67620884  N  49
CGY    5     78  68000000  67275037  0        8450000  67310401  N  50
CAR    6     78  69725000  66982372  0        2700000  67116159  N  50
CHI    7     78  68876962  67880334  0        1400000  67928950  N  50
COL    8     78  61878488  63104023  0        0        63044241  N  50
WPG    9     78  65640000  65696699  0        0        65693933  N  48
DAL    10    78  67606248  67389092  6250000  0        67399685  N  49

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TEAM  TEAMID GP  TODAY     TODATE  PENALTIES  LTIR    PROJECTED OVER?  CONTRACTS
DET    11    78  69904583  67748739  0        0        67853902  N  48
EDM    12    79  69331250  67674557  0        0        67735168  N  49
FLA    13    77  67375000  67031494  0        1975000  67052439  N  50
LA     14    77  68000000  67242236  0        10505000 67288441  N  50
MIN    15    79  66805000  66445506  3500000  505000   66458659  N  49
MTL    16    78  50718500  54606282  3725000  0        54416634  N  50
NYI    17    77  68000000  65334684  3650000  7725000  65497203  N  46
NYR    18    77  68630833  66632419  1125000  0        66754273  N  50
NAS    19    78  63513500  67101070  1862500  3701000  66926067  N  48
NJ     20    78  67625001  67360338  0        1154739  67373248  N  50

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TEAM  TEAMID GP  TODAY     TODATE  PENALTIES  LTIR    PROJECTED OVER?  CONTRACTS
OTT    21    78  68000000  67906946  620000   8505000  67911486  N  50
PHI    22    77  58412875  61581012  7270000  0        61387833  N  48
PHO    23    77  69279584  67262316  0        900000   67385320  N  50
PIT    24    77  67385000  67555325  0        0        67544939  N  49
SJ     25    78  72096000  67784564  0        0        67994878  N  46
STL    26    78  66978411  67671167  -334091  978411   67637374  N  50
TB     27    77  71630000  67171451  0        6651668  67443314  N  50
TOR    28    77  66832335  67031036  2437500  0        67018920  N  48
VAN    29    78  68000000  67532205  3375000  1120000  67555024  N  48
WSH    30    78  68000000  67907692  1040000  4600000  67912195  N  50

WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS MEAN:

TODAY: Your team's current cap hit as of the last save file. If you play a game without changing the roster, this is what your cap will count as. Note if you are over the roster limit (23 players) this will go down, and if you are under the minimum (22), I will do something TBD (probably the current league minimum for each player below the limit if I'm nice, or your most expensive AHLer if I'm not).

Right now everyone should be under the cap of $68M, but as the season goes on some prudent teams will be able to exceed the cap in the TODAY figure as long as PROJECTED stays below $68M. See below.

TODATE: Your team's average cap hit over the past season. This is the average of the TODAY numbers on every game day up till now. The lower this is, the more room you'll have at the deadline.

PROJECTED: TODATE * GP + TODAY *(82 - GP). This is what your team's average cap hit will be at the end of the season if your roster stays unchanged. This number is the important one and MUST always stay under $68M. If you go over this at any time, we will apply some TBD penalty, which will almost certainly include less cap room for trades. If you fuck up and manage to be over the cap at the end of the season like some NHL GMs do, you will get a penalty for the next season.

LTIR: Cap cushion for long term injuries. LTIR is not just subtracted from your cap hit; it allows you to go over the cap temporarily. However, for convenience, any teams that are over the cap due to LTIR will have their TODAY number rounded down to 68M. Make sure you are prepared to get back under the cap when the player comes off LTIR.

Penalties: These just get added to your cap hit. One lucky team (STL) still has a negative penalty from Anton Babchuk being claimed off re-entry waivers, but this will thankfully never happen again.

OVER?: Are you over the cap Y/N? Make sure this says N. If it says Y and you didn't have a game today, you're in luck for now, but you have to do something to get under before your next game.

Any questions, post them here or PM me. At some later stage I will include more rule enforcement and post these numbers with the file/on the site, but for now they stay here.

BlackHawk Down (Seb) · Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:16 pm

Just to make sure I understand: As soon as you go over, it will affect your team's room later on ? No matter how low you get it after that ?

Post by **SharksGM** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:26 pm

BlackHawk Down (Seb) wrote:Just to make sure I understand: As soon as you go over, it will affect your team's room later on ? No matter how low you get it after that ?

Yes, if you're over the cap by more than your LTIR cushion on game day, your cap hit for the day could be over $68M (as Vancouver's is for yesterday).

Dallas Stars GM · Post by **Dallas Stars GM** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:32 pm

How many days can be a team over cap without being punished?

GoJetsGo · Post by **GoJetsGo** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:18 pm

Is Martinez still included in my number? The trade with MTL should have me in range of $68M, but short a roster spot.

Post by **SharksGM** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:00 pm

GoJetsGo wrote:Is Martinez still included in my number? The trade with MTL should have me in range of $68M, but short a roster spot.

No, you were just well over the cap at the time. I'll update numbers shortly.

Post by **SharksGM** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:35 pm

GoJetsGo wrote:Is Martinez still included in my number? The trade with MTL should have me in range of $68M, but short a roster spot.

You were short one player after the trade and adding a minimum cap player (680k) put you over by 307k, so get that fixed for next game. For the moment, cap hits will be slightly screwy if you have a trade entered on game day, so bear with me. This will eventually get fixed by running the program on the save before trades are entered.

PIT was also over by 785k before Heatley broke a leg.

Dallas Stars GM · Post by **Dallas Stars GM** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:33 am

PIT was also over by 785k before Heatley broke a leg.

How come he was not punished?

Post by **SharksGM** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:06 am

Updated. CBS, BUF, CHI and FLA need to lose a contract each.

WPG played over the cap 2 games and will have their starter benched next game. PIT played over the cap one game and will get the same penalty. Additionally, since PIT was already over the cap before Heatley's injury, they need to get under for at least one game to balance it out even with the LTIR exemption. VAN also had a game over the cap and will start their backup next game.

WSH and FLA need to get under the cap by tomorrow to avoid penalties.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:27 am

Can someone explain to me how it works? I am bad at math.

Is it that for every 1 GP by the team you effectively get a 1.22% hit of a contract for the entire season if the player is traded? The receiving would get whatever the difference was,

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:36 am

Checked your numbers against mine, a few differences:

Columbus' penalties should be 1.375M (see: here). Should be fixed in the buyouts thread too.

I'd say with the Rask situation, Chicago's cap hit should be today's salaries + Rask (1.2M) rather than league minimum.

Is Winnipeg getting today's cap hit for both his games even though our trade only went through for today's sim? (yesterday's was 70,227,500 plus a minimum salary for being under the roster minimum = 70,907,500)

You're showing Dallas with 700,000 more on their today and to date than I am. I'd think it would have something to do with Mark Streit except he's included in my numbers so that would only make sense if he got added in twice to yours.

You're missing Minnesota's penalty for Mattias Ohlund (retired while under contract). Also missing Edmonton's but let's say we'll waive those.

Buyout thread is missing Drew Miller for Nashville (900,000).

St. Louis agrees with my numbers for today but yesterday was 66,239,372.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:52 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote:Can someone explain to me how it works? I am bad at math.

Is it that for every 1 GP by the team you effectively get a 1.22% hit of a contract for the entire season if the player is traded? The receiving would get whatever the difference was,

If you want to know how much salary you can add, it's:
(68M - amount in to date column * games played / 82) / (games remaining / 82)

So, using your team as an example:
(68,000,000 - 65,651,668 * 1/82) / (81/82) = 68,028,992

At this point, you're able to have a salary of 68,028,992 for the remainder of the year if you so choose.

Post by **SharksGM** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:19 am

Vik (Habs) wrote:Checked your numbers against mine, a few differences:

Columbus' penalties should be 1.375M (see: here). Should be fixed in the buyouts thread too.

I'll fix that.

Vik (Habs) wrote: I'd say with the Rask situation, Chicago's cap hit should be today's salaries + Rask (1.2M) rather than league minimum.

It actually is, but I didn't update the post after I fixed that. I will once I verify all of these damn missing buyouts.

Is Winnipeg getting today's cap hit for both his games even though our trade only went through for today's sim? (yesterday's was 70,227,500 plus a minimum salary for being under the roster minimum = 70,907,500)

Yes, because the trade was input right after the sim and I go by who's on the roster in players.ehm in the save, not who actually played in the last game. I'm not sure what to do about that besides having simmers run the program before inputting trades.

You're showing Dallas with 700,000 more on their today and to date than I am. I'd think it would have something to do with Mark Streit except he's included in my numbers so that would only make sense if he got added in twice to yours.

Are you including Harding?

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DAL
Horton, Nathan	6000000
Grigorenko, Mikhail	5000000
Pronger, Chris	4921429
Barker, Cam	4500000
Negrin, John	3950000
Enroth, Jhonas	3500000
Kugryshev, Dmitri	3475000
Telegin, Ivan	3400000
Markstrom, Jacob	3200000
Saad, Brandon	3150000
Tyutin, Fedor	3150000
Boyle, Brian	2900000
Godfrey, Josh	2806248
Scherbak, Nikita	2000000
Bickell, Bryan	1800000
Quincey, Kyle	1700000
Bleackley, Conner	1700000
Colaiacovo, Carlo	1500000
Buchnevich, Pavel	1500000
MacMillan, Logan	1300000
Hayes, Jimmy	200000
Schroeder, Jordan	50000
Streit, Mark	700000
Harding, Josh	700000
Jankowski, Mark	600000
Iberer, Matthias	450000
Roster: 64152677
Penalties: 3625000
Total: 67777677 vs. final 67777677
Contracts: 50

That's before the Enroth buyout, which keeps messing me up. (Incidentally, DAL would have been better off waiving Enroth than buying him out).

You're missing Minnesota's penalty for Mattias Ohlund (retired while under contract). Also missing Edmonton's but let's say we'll waive those.

Ugh, what was it, 2.95M for 1 year? Did Adam Foote's stupid contract finally run out?

Buyout thread is missing Drew Miller for Nashville (900,000).

Right... 2 years?

St. Louis agrees with my numbers for today but yesterday was 66,239,372.

Probably post-game trades again.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:35 am

SharksGM wrote:
Vik (Habs) wrote:You're showing Dallas with 700,000 more on their today and to date than I am. I'd think it would have something to do with Mark Streit except he's included in my numbers so that would only make sense if he got added in twice to yours.
Are you including Harding?

Hmm, I accidentally ran my numbers again when I was meaning to run something else and Dallas' today numbers match yours now. So yeah, I'm guessing it was Harding causing problems since he wouldn't've been part of yesterday's.

SharksGM wrote:
Vik (Habs) wrote:You're missing Minnesota's penalty for Mattias Ohlund (retired while under contract). Also missing Edmonton's but let's say we'll waive those.
Ugh, what was it, 2.95M for 1 year? Did Adam Foote's stupid contract finally run out?

3.5M.

SharksGM wrote:
Vik (Habs) wrote:Buyout thread is missing Drew Miller for Nashville (900,000).
Right... 2 years?

3.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:34 pm

Good job, you guys. You are being awesome in all kinds of ways.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:09 pm

From the Dallas' roster example:

Roster: 64152677
Penalties: 3625000
Total: 67777677 vs. final 67777677
Contracts: 50

What are the penalties? They have more than 6M in buyouts.

Dallas Stars GM · Post by **Dallas Stars GM** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:47 pm

Guys, my team overall cap-hit including EVERYTHING is 67,152 and I have 49 contracts

GOALIES
Jacob Markstrom
Josh Harding

DEFENSEMEN
Josh Godfrey
Chris Pronger
Cam Barker
Kyle Quincey
Fedor Tyutin
John Negrin
Carlo Colaiacovo
Mark Streit

LEFT WINGERS
Pavel Buchnevich
Ivan Telegin
Brandon Saad
Mark Jankowski
Logan MacMillan

CENTREMEN
Mikhail Grigorenko
Brian Boyle
Conner Bleackley
Bryan Bickell

RIGHT WINGERS
Dmitri Kugryshev
Nathan Horton
Nikita Scherbak
Matthias Iberer

+ BUYOUTS
Kevin Bieksa 1,1
Jonas Ahnelov 1,087
Vladimir Mihalik 1,438
Jhonas Enroth 2,625
+ DEMOTED
Jimmy Hayes 0,2
Jordan Schroeder 0,05

67,152 overall

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:11 pm

Calgary.Flames wrote:From the Dallas' roster example:

Roster: 64152677
Penalties: 3625000
Total: 67777677 vs. final 67777677
Contracts: 50

What are the penalties? They have more than 6M in buyouts.

He was posting the numbers from Thursday which wouldn't include the Enroth buyout.

Dallas Stars GM wrote:Guys, my team overall cap-hit including EVERYTHING is 67,152 and I have 49 contracts

GOALIES
Jacob Markstrom
Josh Harding

DEFENSEMEN
Josh Godfrey
Chris Pronger
Cam Barker
Kyle Quincey
Fedor Tyutin
John Negrin
Carlo Colaiacovo
Mark Streit

LEFT WINGERS
Pavel Buchnevich
Ivan Telegin
Brandon Saad
Mark Jankowski
Logan MacMillan

CENTREMEN
Mikhail Grigorenko
Brian Boyle
Conner Bleackley
Bryan Bickell

RIGHT WINGERS
Dmitri Kugryshev
Nathan Horton
Nikita Scherbak
Matthias Iberer

+ BUYOUTS
Kevin Bieksa 1,1
Jonas Ahnelov 1,087
Vladimir Mihalik 1,438
Jhonas Enroth 2,625
+ DEMOTED
Jimmy Hayes 0,2
Jordan Schroeder 0,05

67,152 overall

Using the above, I still come to what's shown in the first post (66,902,677).

Dallas Stars GM · Post by **Dallas Stars GM** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:59 am

Using the above, I still come to what's shown in the first post (66,902,677).

Even better

Post by **SharksGM** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:03 am

Updated through last night's games and using the amended buyout totals from the season start. If you spot any issues or inconsistencies, now is the time to bring them up. I'll work on integrating this into GMCP at some point but don't hold your breath. In the meantime, if you want to double check your team's numbers, I can post them (or just upload them along with the save).

WPG, FLA, PIT, VAN and WSH are still over. Most of you can get under with a 1-2 demotions so, y'know, do it.

We will be reworking the penalties for being over very soon, so be forewarned. If you don't get under, we will start reducing the maximum number of starts for your starting goalie, instead of just benching them (the obvious difference being that you could go over the cap 17+ games per season and still get 67 starts). And of course, the excess keeps getting added to your To Date number and so it will get harder to get under the longer you wait, and the ultimate penalty will be having no cap space at the deadline.

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:27 am

LW- Cody Hodgson --- 5,375,000$
LW- James van Riemsdyk --- 3,500,000$
LW- Sergei Barbashev --- 1,550,000$
LW- Rene Bourque --- 680,000$

C- John Tavares --- 9,050,000$
C- Anze Kopitar --- 6,800,000$
C- Shawn Horcoff --- 2,500,000$
C- Julien Nantel --- 800,000$

RW - Jarome Iginla --- 7,850,000$
RW- Dany Heatley --- 7,250,000$
RW- Louis Leblanc --- 1,350,000$
RW- Tyler Pitlick --- 600,000$

D- Jonathon Blum --- 4,400,000$
D- Paul Ranger --- 3,500,000$
D- Vitaly Anikeyenko --- 3,000,000$
D- Anton Volchenkov --- 3,300,000$
D- Dan Girardi --- 3,000,000$
D- TJ Brennan --- 400,000$

G- Ilya Bryzgalov --- 1,500,000$
G- Braden Holtby --- 680,000$

Extra- Marc-Antoine Pouliot --- 400,000$
Extra- Jason Demers --- 400,000$

Total Salary: 67,885,000$

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:48 am

There are no $400,000 players anymore, Bern. League minimum is $680,000.

Dallas Stars GM · Post by **Dallas Stars GM** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:07 pm

There are no $400,000 players anymore, Bern. League minimum is $680,000.

Not true. They are still being honored.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:41 pm

Penalties for Minnesota needs to be bumped up to $3.5M and Drew Miller's buyout needs to be bumped up to 3 years (buyout thread).

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:39 pm

Dallas Stars GM wrote:
There are no $400,000 players anymore, Bern. League minimum is $680,000.
Not true. They are still being honored.

Ah. Had no idea. Thanks.

Post by **SharksGM** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:12 pm

Updated. I assume Vik agrees as I have the same teams over the cap, and everyone is capable of getting under so, y'know, do it.

Virtual Jarmo (CBJ) wrote:
Dallas Stars GM wrote:
There are no $400,000 players anymore, Bern. League minimum is $680,000.
Not true. They are still being honored.
Ah. Had no idea. Thanks.

400k contracts are worth their weight in gold.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:45 pm

SharksGM wrote:Updated. I assume Vik agrees as I have the same teams over the cap, and everyone is capable of getting under so, y'know, do it.

Just need to update the Ohlund penalty (3.5M).

Post by **SharksGM** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:02 pm

Updated through today. Everyone is fine except for Winnipeg. I guess a couple of teams are below the roster minimum, but I haven't been tracking that yet. If you go under the minimum you get dinged 680k for the missing player anyways, so it's in your interest to find a 600k hit (or lower).

Now, Winnipeg was actually over the cap last game too. I'm pretty sure we had a rule made ages ago that the minimum cap hit for a player is 400k... back when there were still some contracts under 400k. At least, I put it in the code when I first wrote it in... uh... 2011? 2012? So Patterson counts for 400k, unless someone can prove that I'm making this up (ha! burden of proof transfered). Also, Patterson was clearly fastsigned in the AHL and his contract shouldn't be valid to play in the pros, so Tommy is being sneaky either way and counting him as just 400k is generous.

Anyway, Winnipeg has been over for 3 games now and will continue to be over with Spooner on LTIR, so better get that sorted or Kent Patterson is going to be starting a lot of games.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:00 pm

SharksGM wrote:Now, Winnipeg was actually over the cap last game too. I'm pretty sure we had a rule made ages ago that the minimum cap hit for a player is 400k... back when there were still some contracts under 400k. At least, I put it in the code when I first wrote it in... uh... 2011? 2012? So Patterson counts for 400k, unless someone can prove that I'm making this up (ha! burden of proof transfered).

I can't find anything on this. Can anyone confirm?

SharksGM wrote:Also, Patterson was clearly fastsigned in the AHL and his contract shouldn't be valid to play in the pros, so Tommy is being sneaky either way and counting him as just 400k is generous.

It was Vik's suggestion, Tom might not even know about it. Is there a rule against bringing up fast-signs? Because Patterson definitely ain't the first (in fact, the recently waived Richard Panik was a fast-sign with the Pens).

I'd say fast-signs should be bumped up to the minimum salary so that teams don't have that cap loophole available to them but I'm guessing the fellers doing the simming wouldn't be crazy about that.

BlackHawk Down (Seb) · Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:54 pm

I agree that fast signed players should be ajusted to the league minimum, 680k

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:57 pm

I am in support of the creative and intelligent management displayed by Tommy and Bern. Innovators.

No rule against it, we can't be making making it up as we go along!

BlackHawk Down (Seb) · Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:04 pm

We want to get rid of under the minimum salary contracts by honoring old contracts, kind of a non sense to get new one's each year...

Also, rules says that there is a league minimum, that should apply to everybody, signed, resigned, fast signed...

flyergp21 · Post by **flyergp21** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:21 pm

100000% agree with Seb. Any other way is nonsense, plain and simple.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:27 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote:I am in support of the creative and intelligent management displayed by Tommy and Bern. Innovators.

They probably don't even know about it.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:35 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote:No rule against it, we can't be making making it up as we go along!

Technically, there is (league minimum salary). We just don't make the simmers enforce it with fast-signs.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:25 pm

Vik (Habs) wrote:
Tampa Bay GM wrote:No rule against it, we can't be making making it up as we go along!
Technically, there is (league minimum salary). We just don't make the simmers enforce it with fast-signs.

True, and it just hadn't occurred to me. I believe that I input the league minimum when a player is fast-signed (although someone will probably find an example where I didn't). We have also had a policy of not altering old contracts, although we should revisit that.

AP21 (ARZ) · Post by **AP21 (ARZ)** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:46 pm

The "No rule prevents it" argument is definitely not the most reasonable way to approach this. If some general managers have taken advantage of this loophole, good for them. From now on, however, every "fastsign" contract should be adjusted up to the league minimum.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:16 pm

Here's a list of all the current fast-signs though some may have been released (and at least one makes more than league minimum already (Panik)).

Code: Select all

Marek Benda
Craig Smith
Stefan Legein
Greg Pateryn
Kent Patterson
Seth Helgeson
Derek Rodwell
Erik Haula
Jeremy Smith
Alexander Urbom
Gabriel Bourque
Cameron Reid
Richard Panik
Eric Gelinas
Tomas Vincour
Nick Oliver
Mattias Ekholm
Daryl Boyle
Linden Rowat
Stefan Elliott
Taylor Stefishen
Philippe Cornet
Kurt Mucha
Adam Hawlik
Jacob Lagace
Ryan Hayes
Alexander Deilert
Jerome Flaake
Nick Larson
Teigan Zahn
Mark Guggenberger

Post by **SharksGM** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:20 am

Winnipeg still over the cap. I called up Jimmy Bubnick and EHM fast-signed Michael Latta on the farm. Actually, I guess that Bubnick callup didn't do them any favours, since I was counting LTIR and suspended players towards the 22 man limit, which I should stop doing from now on... but actually, we need to think about that some more before deciding what to do.

PIT and WSH need to get under for their games tomorrow.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:39 am

Great job, Dan.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:41 pm

Commish Bub(NYR) wrote: True, and it just hadn't occurred to me. I believe that I input the league minimum when a player is fast-signed (although someone will probably find an example where I didn't). We have also had a policy of not altering old contracts, although we should revisit that.

If were going to start bumping contracts up to the minimum year to year, I think that should impact how the cap is determined. I am also against the idea of altering legally signed contracts (non-fast signs).

Some GMs have spent time throughout the years scouting UFA's and other teams rosters for cost-effective talent. David Shields, Alexander Avtsyn, Josh Brittain and Marcus Foligno are guys that are not only are effective players who free up cap space for top-end talent, but have extra trade value because of their contracts.

If we start to do bumps, you penalize teams who put time into developing a certain type of roster and also depreciate trade assets.

AP21 (ARZ) · Post by **AP21 (ARZ)** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:11 pm

We don't have to alter existing contracts. Let's simply correct every fastsign contract from now on. That way, we'll be done with this issue soon enough. And if your salary cap strategy includes having the cpu sign a $400,000 player for you every year, then... change it.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:17 pm

AP21 (ARZ) wrote:We don't have to alter existing contracts. Let's simply correct every fastsign contract from now on. That way, we'll be done with this issue soon enough. And if your salary cap strategy includes having the cpu sign a $400,000 player for you every year, then... change it.

This should be the rule and it should never change, imo.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:19 pm

AP21 (ARZ) wrote:We don't have to alter existing contracts. Let's simply correct every fastsign contract from now on. That way, we'll be done with this issue soon enough. And if your salary cap strategy includes having the cpu sign a $400,000 player for you every year, then... change it.

THIS.

Post by **SharksGM** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:41 pm

Updated. Only Pittsburgh and Winnipeg are over the cap at the moment. Let this be a cautionary tale about what happens if you aren't under to start the season.

Note, we are now ruling that injured/suspended players can count towards the 22 player minimum, so one of your roster players gets hurt or does something dumb, you do not *have* to call up a replacement right away. Of course, you may still need to call up somebody if you don't have a spare at every position. You still need a minimum of 22 players on your roster, and every team will have a minimum of 22 players counted against the cap. Consider this a reward for prudent roster management, or alternatively, the roster minimum serving its intended purpose of providing spares for a reasonable number of injuries. Also, doing LTIR the right way (not banking it) *and* enforcing 22 healthy players at all times would mean ~11 teams are just a single long-term injury away from hitting the cap and having little or no cap space at the deadline, which is less fun for everyone.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:42 pm

Calgary.Flames wrote:
AP21 (ARZ) wrote:We don't have to alter existing contracts. Let's simply correct every fastsign contract from now on. That way, we'll be done with this issue soon enough. And if your salary cap strategy includes having the cpu sign a $400,000 player for you every year, then... change it.
THIS.

Agreed. Simple enough to take care of each sim whenever a fastsign is needed.

Post by **SharksGM** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:17 am

Updated through 10/23. Sorry, I didn't get a chance to download the 10/20 file, so cap hits for that day are based on the 10/21 rosters for now. I'll try to fix it when I get that file. Regehr will go on LTIR tomorrow.

Everyone is under now except for NSH because of the Chucko promotion, but we'll probably reverse that.

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:41 am

SharksGM wrote:Updated through 10/23. Sorry, I didn't get a chance to download the 10/20 file, so cap hits for that day are based on the 10/21 rosters for now. I'll try to fix it when I get that file. Regehr will go on LTIR tomorrow.

Everyone is under now except for NSH because of the Chucko promotion, but we'll probably reverse that.

Columbus = 67,406,833
Calgary = 65,500,000
Dallas = 66,402,677
Florida = 66,775,000
Montreal = 57,621,000
Islanders = 62,893,438
Nashville = 67,884,333
New Jersey = 67,285,989
Philadelphia = 61,588,708
Arizona = 64,624,584
Pittsburgh = 68,000,000
St. Louis = 66,929,372
Tampa Bay = 65,651,668
Washington = 67,547,500

Post by **SharksGM** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:09 pm

Vik (Habs) wrote:
SharksGM wrote:Updated through 10/23. Sorry, I didn't get a chance to download the 10/20 file, so cap hits for that day are based on the 10/21 rosters for now. I'll try to fix it when I get that file. Regehr will go on LTIR tomorrow.

Everyone is under now except for NSH because of the Chucko promotion, but we'll probably reverse that.
Columbus = 67,406,833
Calgary = 65,500,000
Dallas = 66,402,677
Florida = 66,775,000
Montreal = 57,621,000
Islanders = 62,893,438
Nashville = 67,884,333
New Jersey = 67,285,989
Philadelphia = 61,588,708
Arizona = 64,624,584
Pittsburgh = 68,000,000
St. Louis = 66,929,372
Tampa Bay = 65,651,668
Washington = 67,547,500

Here's what I have different from the 21st:

MTL = 58221000 (54496000 + 3725000 penalties) on 20th & 23rd. Did you send up/call down a 600k player between those dates?
PHI = 62588708 (56618708 + 5970000 penalties) on 20th & 21st. Where's the 1M difference?

Vik (Habs) · Post by **Vik (Habs)** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:23 pm

SharksGM wrote:MTL = 58221000 (54496000 + 3725000 penalties) on 20th & 23rd. Did you send up/call down a 600k player between those dates?

Damir Galin.

SharksGM wrote:PHI = 62588708 (56618708 + 5970000 penalties) on 20th & 21st. Where's the 1M difference?

Johnny Oduya?